S06E131 BISON 15 - One Hour of Peace to Beat Your Friends in CrossFit - Chase Ferraro
Sam Rhee sits down with Chase Ferraro @ccferraro93 to talk about how a random Saturday workout turns into four years of serious CrossFit progress and a tight gym community.
We also get real about balancing a family business, marriage, nutrition, and a long rehab after major knee surgery while still staying hungry to improve.
• using competitions and qualifiers to stay motivated
• building friendships through consistent class times and shared effort
• working in a third-generation commercial construction business and shifting into project management
• using CrossFit as a mental reset and stress relief
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TRANSCRIPT
Sam Rhee (00:01.112)
Alright, welcome to another episode of Botox and Burpees. I have with me a very special guest, Chase Ferraro, who is taking time from his vacation with his family. So I really appreciate it. Chase has been at Bison since 2022. So this will be basically his fourth year at Bison. He is a great athlete for a tall guy. I mean, you're pretty tall, I would say. So when I see the taller guys killing it at CrossFit, it it
It provokes a little bit of envy in me, to be honest. Chase has been at bison and is a stalwart in the four fifteen crew. so welcome, Chase. Thank you for taking the time to join.
Chase (00:33.33)
Yeah.
Chase (00:46.866)
Yes, thank you for having me. happy to be here.
Sam Rhee (00:49.496)
So tell me about your start story. I just know that you hadn't been CrossFitting before that, but like so how did you get into CrossFit? Like what led you to CrossFit Bison? What what was your experience like?
Chase (01:03.719)
So all growing up and I had never heard of CrossFit, never knew what it was, just kind of the typical played every sport we could growing up, and then in high school started really focusing and just did wrestling all year round. And then after high school, just kind of the the retro fitnesses, the the twenty four hour fitnesses, stuff like that. And then my one friend who actually went to Bison, he's not there anymore, Kevin Carroll.
Sam Rhee (01:17.038)
Mm-hmm.
Sam Rhee (01:30.322)
yeah.
Chase (01:30.586)
He asked me to just go on a random Saturday and I'd never heard of it before, so I said, Okay, screw it. And went on the Saturday and then was like wall balls, just running and this and that. I like, All right, I can get into this. So joined like two or three weeks later and then since then I think I've had the bison the monthly unlimited for four and a half or four years now plus and kind of just never look back.
Sam Rhee (01:55.554)
Yeah, you're really capable. Like, I was just looking at your performance this past year and you are t in the open, you are twenty first. You the people ahead of you were Matt Crager, Dan Greenberg, Brian DiCarlo, and then the people behind you were Brendan McGrail, Adam Storms, and Corey Van Auken. So you're in like pretty elite company, like you're right up there with all the with all these great athletes. So
you s did you grow up in Jersey and and what was your wrestling experience like?
Chase (02:30.946)
Yeah, so I grew up not far from Bison. I grew up in Ramsey. so right around the neighborhood and wrestling experience did it all growing up and then unfortunately got the injury bug a little bit in high school, which kinda set my junior and senior year off the off the trail a little bit where I had some serious knee issues, but so didn't go as far as I would have liked, but still probably my favorite sport.
Sam Rhee (02:34.39)
Okay.
Chase (02:59.512)
There is. I wish there was more of an avenue to kind of continue it when you get older, but it's a little kind of it gets to a certain point and you gotta find something else to fill that void.
Sam Rhee (03:07.918)
Yeah. I see your finger by the way a little bit on the screen just there you no not that next. I'll cut that part out. So I just lost you.
Chase (03:11.552)
yeah, I gotcha.
Sam Rhee (04:35.841)
Hey.
Chase (04:36.129)
Am I am I back?
Sam Rhee (04:38.335)
Yep, you are back. No problem. We can cut that part out. No worries.
Chase (04:41.397)
Okay. Yeah, all of a sudden it just said buffering or something and just lost it.
Sam Rhee (04:43.328)
All right.
Sam Rhee (04:49.589)
No worries. all right, cool. So let's keep going. you know, you were mentioning how you wrestled, you know, they have jujitsu. Have you ever thought about trying that as a sport that's so popular these days?
Chase (05:04.743)
I I've thought about it but then I don't I feel like there's only so much time and I got the CrossFit bug first so I never went down that that road to try and 'cause everyone says that's like just as addicting of a as an activity where once you do like one or two classes you're kinda all in and yeah, I don't I wish I had enough time but I don't have enough time to to do that.
Sam Rhee (05:30.261)
I agree. I I I it is very addictive, I think, from the people I know who have done it. I can barely not get injured in CrossFit, so I only know that if someone's out there trying to subdue me in on a mat, I know I am just going to get massacred. So so I've stayed away from it myself. Although it does look intriguing.
Chase (05:48.201)
Yeah, that's the other thing. I think I think Haley would divorce me if I came home with a a sling or a a knee brace because of cross jujitsu injuries, so I'm not gonna tempt my luck too much.
Sam Rhee (06:01.101)
Yeah. you are good at CrossFit. you picked it up. Had you worked with a barbell before? Olympic lifting, any of that stuff?
Chase (06:12.609)
No, very little. Just the typical like bench press squat, very rarely. deadlift. That was about it for barbell stuff. So real I didn't really have much experience with it, but yeah, though I would say that's my favorite portion of CrossFit. Like the the power cleans, hang cleans, basically anything with that's that movement is probably my favorite.
Sam Rhee (06:40.193)
Yeah, and you picked it up super fast. You've actually been involved in some competitions as well with other people at the gym. what is it that you like so much about CrossFit that sort of kept you going for the past four years?
Chase (06:59.873)
Sam, can you say that again? Sorry, I gotta chop you for a second.
Sam Rhee (07:05.345)
Y yeah, yeah. So I mean you've you've participated in competitions, you've been doing some local comps and and other things. what makes you so attracted to CrossFit? Like why have you been doing it solid for the past four years?
Chase (07:23.353)
I don't know. I guess it's one, the the like the competition is great, but it's also just kind of the even the it's not a crazy amount of competitions I've done, but I've done like you said, a few. And me and Brendan are actually McGrail are doing the the qualifier for teams for that fittest on the coast, I think it's called. the one that everyone's were doing at the gym. Yeah, I don't know, it just kinda gives you something to
Sam Rhee (07:47.852)
Yeah.
Chase (07:52.038)
look forward to and keep working for 'cause if not it kind of just gets monotonous to just go in there without like that thing in the future you're kind of aiming to shoot for or strive for. So it's just that just something to keep going and give yourself the reason to get in there.
Sam Rhee (08:10.295)
Hm. and then how'd you pick up friends? Like I know you have a bunch of friends like you said you comp with, you hang out with at the gym. Like, how did that happen?
Chase (08:21.822)
I kind of just naturally like the kind of like the morning has their their crews that go the the afternoon is kind of the same way, where it's kind of a staple of the same ten, fifteen people in those four fifteen, five fifteen classes. So I mean you can only go so long without Dave L coming over to you and talking your ear off for about twenty minutes before the four fifteen. So you're kind of forced into that friendship with him, regardless if you want it or not. He will make sure you're you're friends with him.
but then yeah, besides that, it's like Mike S and I got super close. He's one of my good friends there now. So it's good. I used to kick his ass in all the workouts. And now after the baby, he's finally starting to climb back up to me and beat me. So I told him, yeah, it's th these last year doesn't count. But no, but yeah, it's just great. It's like a fun, especially in those afternoon classes, it's fun balance of competition, crap talk.
But also after it everybody's hanging out, having a good time, enjoying each other's company.
Sam Rhee (09:26.061)
Yeah. No if Mike Beach in a workout he is so happy. He's giddy. He's like a little kid who just got an ice cream cone or something like that. Like he's just very happy.
Chase (09:34.412)
I it makes his it yeah, it it it makes his week his month, but he's still I think an O for eight combined against me and Brian Miller in the in the open, so we make sure we let him know that. Until he beats us in one of those, none of it counts.
Sam Rhee (09:41.477)
Ha ha.
Sam Rhee (09:47.597)
That's That's right. That's awesome. so now I didn't know this until well into when you and Haley started, but you guys are married, you guys have a family, so I don't even know, like, were you guys did you guys meet like how when did you guys meet and like how did it all happen? And both you guys are very dedicated CrossFitters. like, how does that work?
Chase (10:16.06)
So we she's from Ramsey too, so we grew up together in different circles. We like knew each other a little bit in high school, but not much. And then my best friend from Ramsey married a girl that Haley went to South Carolina with for college. so when I was living with my buddy and his at the time fiance, me and Haley kind of re k met up again
One thing led to another, started dating, and then here we are nine years later with a baby, a house back in Ramsey. And but yeah, she loves CrossFit too. She's definitely not as she just does it. She likes to get in, get out, get her workout in. She is not she doesn't really have the competitive juice in it. Like I bought her a pair of grips because like probably in twenty twenty two, they're still in our basement in the packaging. She's like, I don't need those. It's okay. I don't c I don't care if I do pull ups or not. I'm just there to do a workout.
Sam Rhee (11:17.133)
Do you guys did you guys start together or separately?
Chase (11:22.074)
Yeah, so we started together that first Saturday that Kevin brought us as g he brought both of us. So we both went and did that Saturday together. And then she's also still super into well, not as much recently, but she used to be super into yoga and that stuff. So she would do like the ten pack or something and kind of swap back and forth and do real hot yoga stuff like that. But now she's just the unlimited of bison as well.
Sam Rhee (11:29.677)
okay.
Sam Rhee (11:44.813)
Mm-hmm.
Yeah, no. And you guys go at different times I know, 'cause I usually see her and then I see you at separate times. so sh and she's v like you said, she's very serious about her fitness. She gets w what she does, you know, she wants to get what she gets out of it and then she's out. I mean, she's a great person. She's obviously very different body very different body type than you. Like she's small, petite, like, you know, you're how tall are you, Chase?
Chase (11:54.479)
Yeah.
Chase (12:05.05)
Yeah.
Chase (12:11.183)
Yeah.
Chase (12:15.617)
five ten, five eleven, something like that. Five ten, five eleven, somewhere around there. And she's she's like ba five foot, maybe five one, maybe five one, but probably five foot.
Sam Rhee (12:17.889)
how tall are you, Chase?
Sam Rhee (12:21.963)
Yeah. And what it and what is she like f five, maybe or
Sam Rhee (12:30.877)
R right, right, right, right. Right right. So that's pretty cool. Have you ever guy have you guys I mean, I know she's not a competitive person, so I would imagine, you know, you know, doing a competition with you or something would be like the last thing on her mind.
Chase (12:45.656)
So she's she's thrown it out there, not CrossFit about the the Hyrux craze, but then I'll tell her like, Okay, well we'll do X, Y, and Z to train for it and this and that, and then that's where it usually dies on the vine. Okay, maybe maybe we'll just do solos and we'll just cheer each other on. Yeah.
Sam Rhee (12:59.041)
Yeah.
Sam Rhee (13:04.213)
Nice. so the other thing I didn't realize about you until I was looking you up just before this conversation was that you work for Aerosteel and tell me about your job, h how you got into it, what you do and and stuff that I had no I I don't know what half the people at Bison do, but I think that that what you do is pretty cool.
Chase (13:27.146)
Yeah.
Yeah, so Arrow Steel Inc. it was it's a company that my grandpa actually started in nineteen seventy-seven. So my grandpa started it. then my father, he's still in the business. He's he's running he is technically the president. And then me and my two brothers now work there as well. So basically what it is is a commercial construction company and our main thing that we do is we build and install
Sam Rhee (13:38.05)
Wow.
Chase (14:00.098)
garbage compactors for high-rise apartment buildings. So we do all kinds of work in the city, all over Jersey, everything like that. But yeah. So I've been basically welding and doing like trade type work since I was like 10, 11 years old. Like in middle school, my summer job instead of going and doing some nice like waiter, waitress or something, I my grandpa had a welding shield on me and I was in a warehouse welding as a eleven year old doing like child labor laws.
But so I was basically born right into it. But I love it. It's great. I used to do a lot more of the field work, the actual welding, the actual hydraulics and stuff like that. But now I've transitioned to more project management running all of our jobs and crews and stuff like that.
Sam Rhee (14:43.157)
What's that like working in a family business with your two brothers, your your whole family? Like w it was that something that they really wanted you to do or you kinda like chose yourself?
Chase (14:55.806)
So yeah, they I'll say that they there was never definitely any pressure. Like I went to West Virginia for college and after one year I knew I wanted to go back and work for the family business. So I they never pressured me. They wanted me to get a degree and basically do something whatever I wanted to do. But I basically came home and said like I I just I think I want to just come and start working. it's I was kind of debating like do I just stay at school and add up all this student debt when I know I'm just gonna then just
Come home and go right to this job that I don't need this degree for. So I just ripped the band-aid off, went home, started working, and that was when I was nineteen. So I'm on year fourteen there now. So it's been a long time. But yeah, the family business obviously it it has a lot of perks and it's great. I mean, it's it's like I don't even think I realize how
much I should cherish it being able to work basically every single day with my dad and see my dad every day and it's it is really nice. But yeah, there's obviously the the typical brothers butting heads very frequently. But it's it's good 'cause it's not your common workplace. We can talk to each other pretty frankly and know that nobody's gonna be hold any grudges or anything like that. So it's good. health being the oldest get to boss the other two little ones around. So I play the seniority card quite a bit.
But yeah, no, it's it's very good. I wouldn't trade it for anything.
Sam Rhee (16:23.233)
Yeah, it's funny. I was gonna guess that you were the oldest even before you said that because you just have that oldest brother sort of demeanor of What is it that you love about your job so much? What is it what that what appeals to you about?
Chase (16:30.95)
Yeah, I get I get that a lot, yes.
Chase (16:41.007)
the
Tough question. there's a lot, but honestly, probably just the the satisfaction of the completion of these these big jobs, seeing everything through and then seeing it the your hard work get finished and complete and everything's done at the end. Happy customer, the relationships are good. I also really enjoy the the management of the the guys that work for me. We're a small business, so it's it's very personal relationships. I have kids that I say kids, but
We s they started with us when we were eighteen and they're twenty six, twenty-seven now. So you're like seeing these kids transform and like they do the the typical call outs when they're eighteen. Every Monday all of a sudden they have a stomach bug or this or that and you're just nodding, Okay, yeah, I'm sure, yeah. This then but and then seeing them mature and just grow and help them grow and become like these like young men that are now like
Raising families and this and that. It's it's very cool to watch. So probably the relationships is is the best part of it for me.
Sam Rhee (17:47.191)
You're on the management side more now, but I would imagine, especially when you were younger, how physical that was. Like I w is that something that you would want your kids to do? Like, I'd never want my kids to do my job for a a bunch of reasons. How do you feel about like because now you're third generation in terms of your company, would you want a fourth?
Chase (17:54.63)
Yeah.
Chase (18:03.6)
Yeah.
Chase (18:11.662)
Yeah, that's a a good point. Like it's it's definitely like those summer days where it's a hundred and five degrees and you have your welding shield on and your welding jacket and you're no matter how much water you drink, you're sweating it all out and you can barely keep your eyes open driving the truck home in the morning. Those days I it's we it's it's weird. I I wouldn't want to do it again, but I kinda would. Because when I was doing that there was no other
Stress. It was just there was no management. It was just okay, this is why I just get to go do this physical labor part. But I I would I would definitely not shy away from if one of my kids wanted to do it. Maybe a son. I don't think I would want Ev my baby Evie doing it. But if I had a boy, yeah, I would I would have no problem with with him doing it. I I do think it it definitely builds character and sh it's it's tough. It's a grueling job, but it's it's a good job.
Sam Rhee (18:53.995)
Ha ha ha.
Sam Rhee (19:08.807)
so do you think CrossFit helps you in your life? Like, are there any benefits to CrossFit other than just being healthy in general? Like, do you find it carries over in any way to like your everyday stuff?
Chase (19:23.351)
Yeah, I mean obviously the the physical it helps. But like the I was saying to Haley last night actually like I think that the the biggest thing it does for me is just that hour a day where you can just shut your brain off. If you had some really tough day at work or everyone's going through something where whether it's family stuff or work stuff or whatever, just that one hour where you you literally it's not possible to think about other once the clock starts and workout starts.
Your brain's just shut off and that's where your entire attention is devoted to. And then that is like my almost that's like my talking to a therapist. That's the you just feel better walking out of there. And you just head is clear, you feel better, you're just more attentive and kind of just I'm the definitely a better version of myself after that. Just can take a deep breath and like, all right, what's got what's next for the day? That's over with.
Sam Rhee (20:20.695)
When when I first saw you, you made some h huge gains and your body also, like like most people, like it gets a lot stronger, they look a lot better. Like, d did nutrition play a part in that? Like how does that work for you in terms of your life and nutrition?
Chase (20:36.527)
So I have to give Haley the complete nutrition credit. So I I was definitely a very bad eater. just kind of on the go, whatever I could eat, fast food, anything like that. So probably geez, it might five or six years ago at this point, Haley has lupus and a couple other autoimmune diseases. And in December of twenty twenty, it was either twenty twenty or twenty twenty one.
She had a really bad lupus outbreak and was hospitalized for like three weeks. And they gave her all this, these steroids and crazy medicine once she came home. And a couple of doctors kind of told her, like, this is gonna be the rest of your life. You're gonna be on this medicine, this and that. And she just, she's tiny, but she she just refused to take that as an answer. She was like, No, I'm absolutely not. So she did a six-week completely raw vegetable detox. And
Sam Rhee (21:07.66)
wow.
Chase (21:33.981)
Since then she's been basically fully vegan and gluten free, dairy free, everything. And she completely reversed all her lupus numbers. Like there's no trace of it anymore. She basically reversed the disease and has been completely healthy since. So she's a very, very healthy eater, cooks basically every night. So it's all super clean and super healthy. So as much as CrossFit did like help my physique and all that, her diet
basically what I eat what we eat at home definitely was just if not more of the factor.
Sam Rhee (22:08.033)
You know, it's so funny because all these autoimmune diseases are they're very mystical because it's basically the body attacking itself, but there are all sorts of stimulus stimuli, like other factors that sort of cause that to happen. And a lot of it is environmental. A lot of it is your predisposition to reacting to inflammatory factors and and the fact that she took control of that and sort of like really
Chase (22:16.126)
Mm-hmm.
Sam Rhee (22:35.895)
fig figured that out for herself is it's inspiring one and two like I also can understand how much of a challenge it is. the medicine side of it is really far behind in a lot of ways in terms of managing these sort of tricky autoimmune type things. So kudos to her for figuring that out. what kind of meals do you eat like on a given week? Like what
Chase (22:36.137)
Yeah.
Chase (22:53.513)
Yeah.
Sam Rhee (23:02.347)
What is a dinner look like? What does your breakfast look like? What does lunch look like?
Chase (23:06.953)
So breakfast I I'm up super early and just I don't I've never really had a big appetite for breakfast. I'll just get basically at sixteen excuse me or twenty ounce black coffee and I'll have that at like four thirty or five and that'll hold me over until lunch around like eleven thirty or twelve. Lunch I'll get something small, like a grilled chicken Caesar wrap or something like that. Just like a handheld, usually on the go. But then dinner every night basically Haley'll make
Sam Rhee (23:16.886)
Wow.
Chase (23:37.351)
Either a sweet potato, potatoes, something like that, and then just a bunch of veggies, either kale, broccoli, cauliflower, peppers, and then that's what you'll have. And then I'll add on either ground beef, ground turkey, some type of protein, chicken thighs, chicken breasts. So that's usually our my day to day.
Sam Rhee (23:58.143)
Mm. It's it almost sounds like a intermittent fasting type of schedule 'cause you're like sort of not eating for a big chunk of the day.
Chase (24:03.356)
Yeah.
Chase (24:06.864)
Yeah, kinda just worked out like that. But yeah, that's my body's like super accustomed to just kind of waking up and not eating until usually like eleven or twelve and then we usually eat dinner super early. So like I'm basically eating only in like a six or seven hour window and that's about it.
Sam Rhee (24:23.63)
Do you eat before you work out or no?
Chase (24:26.445)
No. Sometimes if I have a late lunch I do, but I I hate that feeling. I'd rather have an empty stomach than like anything in my stomach during those those workouts.
Sam Rhee (24:37.482)
Mm. How about injuries? Have you been injured in your past four years like that you've been crossfitting at all?
Chase (24:44.135)
yes, my none none from CrossFit. I had a pretty serious knee injury and then knee surgery in twenty twenty two. yeah, so I I can't remember the term, but triple something osteotomy. Basically they had to go in and reset where my left kneecap sits. 'cause I had dislocated it three or four times and it just wasn't sitting right. I had
No cartilage, it was basically bone on bone. they went in, put a couple cadaver ligaments in and rebuilt all the cartilage and reset where my kneecaps at. So that was a s a very grueling recovery. But probably after about nine months I was able to get back in, start doing like step ups and light stuff. And then after probably once I got to 18 months post stop, I felt fully back and better than than it was before.
Sam Rhee (25:42.235)
what happened? How did how did that knee injury happen for you?
Chase (25:47.014)
So the original injury was at a summer wrestling tournament. we did this I was doing this move called a Merkle. Basically me and this other guy, all of our body went and my left knee just stayed planted and it dislocated. Yeah, it was not good. and then just kind of not a great diagnosis that first time, apparently from to a the surgeon who did my surgery in twenty twenty two.
she was like, This should have gotten nipped in the butt when this originally happened. And I just kept kind of doing physical therapy and band-aid and band-aid and it got to the point where I could like barely walk up and down the stairs without a railing or having to do both feet on the step each time. So I was like, I'm too young to be dealing with this and got the surgery and it's definitely it was as tough as it was the the recovery, it's it's made a light years of difference.
Sam Rhee (26:41.438)
Mm. And then it was after that now you hadn't started CrossFit at that time yet, had you?
Chase (26:46.988)
No, so I guess I was I must have started twenty twenty one, fall then, because I missed my first open in twenty twenty two. And then the first open I did was twenty twenty three. Now that's that's definitely the timeline now that I'm remembering.
Sam Rhee (26:56.207)
I see.
Sam Rhee (27:02.324)
okay. So you started CrossFit, like things were getting worse with the knee, you you were out for wow, almost like a year or plus and then kinda got back into it again.
Chase (27:11.517)
Yeah, exactly. So it was basically like four like three or four months, fell in love with it and then just had to get surgery and sit on the sideline for basically s nine months, then like slowly came back in, started scaling stuff, and then ramped back up and since then I've been just back to basically full health.
Sam Rhee (27:26.082)
Mm-hmm.
Sam Rhee (27:32.052)
Mm. What kind of advice would you give? Because there are a lot of people who get knee surgeries or other types of surgeries who then have you know, get back into CrossFit. Like what would your advice about rehab or getting through it be? No problem. Yeah.
Chase (27:44.3)
What'd you say? Sorry, one second, Sam. Yeah, you can change her. Baby needs to get changed in the room. sorry, can you ask the question again?
Sam Rhee (27:49.966)
Yeah. So now that you've gone through that rehab process, what kind of advice would you give for CrossFitters who who went through you know, that you went through that in terms of like starting back up and, you know, getting back into it?
Chase (28:06.65)
probably to try and get back like obviously to the like the ability that you can, but like what helped me the most was yeah, I was doing physical therapy, but but getting back in there and just doing the extra little stuff, even like I was in there with a brace like rowing with just my right leg with my left leg hanging off. Like just getting in there and doing as much as you possibly can to me just speeds up the the healing process so much. Not just that one hour of physical therapy.
Every three days or something. Yeah. Do you hear the baby in the Yeah, she's she's in she's in the middle of a a diaper change right now, yes.
Sam Rhee (28:37.27)
Mm. Got it. That's Eevee, I assume. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. So what are your plans for the future in terms of your fitnessing at this point? You're s you're comping, you're you're at a high level, you're performing well. What do you want to what do you want to achieve, accomplish other than beating Mike S for the rest of your life, basically?
Chase (29:01.825)
I'd be just fine with just that. If I just continue to be beat him in every open, then my CrossFit journey has been a success if he never beats me. But no, yeah, just kinda the kinda just keep it the status quo and just try and just maintain and keep doing comps, keep doing like little things here and there, but basically the goal is just to not what would the word be?
Not step backward. At least stay the status quo as I get older and keep trying to progress more and more. Which I mean at our gym I feel like it's crazy. Some there's so many guys that as they get older they're just getting better and better, which it's inspiring to watch.
Sam Rhee (29:44.022)
It is crazy. are you gonna have E V start CrossFit and at what age? yes.
Chase (29:48.992)
yes. As soon as she can get into that crossfist kid, she's going. She's she's crazy. She doesn't stop moving, so she'll she'll definitely love it.
Sam Rhee (29:52.11)
Ha ha.
Sam Rhee (29:55.886)
Well, Chase, it's been a pleasure. I really appreciate the time. I don't want to keep you from your family, especially on a vacation time for you. yeah. So so thank you so much. I'll see you at the gym. I will be talking to Mike S shortly. So Yes
Chase (30:06.346)
Yeah.
Chase (30:16.414)
th yes, he told me that was today. I was like, I'm happy I get to go in first and get my shots in before you do.
Sam Rhee (30:22.218)
Yes, he so so you get the first word, he'll probably get the last and
Chase (30:26.469)
he that's usually that's how our arguments usually go anyway. So yeah. All right, thanks, Sam. Great to talk to you. Bye.
Sam Rhee (30:28.654)
All right. Well, thank you again. All right. Take care. Okay. Bye.
